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The tiny Indian math teacher at our school usually takes us when Ms Vis is away. She had us a week or so ago, and tried to teach us about hyperbolas. What follows is broadly paraphrased.

Miss: Okay so infinity, right. See, you have to imagine there's this frog. Okay, I have this frog, and it does jobs for me, and then it comes to sit on my shoulder. But I don't like it sitting on my shoulder, because it's a frog. So I give it a job because it won't come and sit on my shoulder as long as it has work to do. Like you should not be talking until you have finished your maths work! Anyway, this frog, right. I give it a job that takes a long time, I trick it. I tell it, go jump to that wall, but you have to do it like this. These are the rules. You jump half the distance with each jump. So you see I am being clever, and he will never reach the wall because when he reaches halfway, *starts walking towards wall* are you following me, girls?
Class: O.o

Date: 2006-04-08 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
Um...

what?

As an explanation of, say, asymptotes, or geometric progressions, or limits, it makes sense. Almost. But infinity? o.O

Date: 2006-04-08 06:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Well it was to do with asymptotes. It was to explain why the curve never touches them. Because as x approaches infinity y approaches 0. Or something. So there was this frog, right...

Date: 2006-04-08 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
That? Makes sense. When I learned it years and years back, my maths teacher also explained with a frog. It would repeatedly jump half the distance to the pond. We had the example changed, so that while the frog never reaches the water, it is close enough to be able to stick its tongue out and drink.

Date: 2006-04-08 06:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Mmm, I just found it amusing because she was talking very fast, in an Indian accent, about frogs, in a maths lesson. And everyone just went ellipse.

Date: 2006-04-08 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
I don't get where the shoulder comes into it.

Date: 2006-04-08 06:56 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Me neither. I think that was just a random thing to explain why the heck anyone would have a frog jumping towards a wall.

Date: 2006-04-08 06:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
I think it would be funnier if the frog forgot its instructions, or somebody moved the wall, and the frog went SPLAT.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
In maths, you generally get to assume the wall isn't moving.

I'd be far more interested by the frog-and-wall version if the total distance travelled by the frog were constant - ie, if shorter distances hopped meant jumping higher to account for the rest of the distance of the jump. And then introducing wind as a factor, moving the frog further toward the wall.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
...see, this is where we differ. You are interested in physics. I am interested in splat. Think outside the box! MOVE THE WALL1!!11!!

Date: 2006-04-08 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
I'm not so much interested in physics as in having the wall for the frog testing apparatus built by people other than Adam Savage.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Hee, frog testing apparatus. I'm thinking of Schroedinger now.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
Apparently, the frog has both reached and not-reached the wall up until such time as the frog is again on a shoulder.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
I'd love to put that in a fortune cookie!

...holyfuckitsaftermidnight. Uuuuuh. I think I have to wake up in six hours or so. I'm off! Bye.

Date: 2006-04-08 10:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Er. As an afterthought. You remember in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, where that crazy man kept giggling about frogs? ...yeah.

Date: 2006-04-08 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xs-amletx.livejournal.com
I've had that explanation before...but never like that LOL.


And omg I remember that teacher. She totally screwed me over. After having her for a few weeks in year 10, I couldn't say parabola for about a year. I said para-bowler. And everyone laughed at me. And it's all her fault because of her stupid pronounciation. Bah. :/

Date: 2006-04-08 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
...

I'd happily forgotten that p-word, but no, there it is in an EllJay comment. Well, you and your precious x2=4ay can go and do... um... whatever it is you do. Typically that's solving for x, IIRC.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xs-amletx.livejournal.com
HOMG! We only just learned x²=4ay yesterday!

....which means I am sure to have forgotten it by Monday, and by Tuesdays assessment any slight trace of it shall be removed from my mind completely. Damn. Guess I can't take over the world after all.

When x²=4ay is in my hands, it does less of the solving for x and more of the aiding in the catch-up of missed hours of sleep that should have occured during the 7 hours previous, but didn't due to more important commitments - namely escapism, and the act of drowing out my mother's tedious "maths is power" monotone.

Why can't I return to the lovely days of 1 + 1 = 347? *whinge*

Maybe when I forget the p-word entirely, I can truly concentrate on conquering the universe.

Ignore this crack-induced babble.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
x2=4ay is almost kind-of-sort-of useful. Like remembering your quadratic formula, or the discriminant.

Actually, the discriminant is good for lazy people. And for sketch graphs.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xs-amletx.livejournal.com
It doesn't feel so useful at the moment.

The only reason I am doing maths at all is because I slept through the entirety 11th grade economics and had to drop it, and thus didn't have enough units to let maths go. It's so hard to study it when one has no interest whatsoever.


And by the way, that avatar totally pwns.

Date: 2006-04-08 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] active-apathy.livejournal.com
Year 11 economics is fun, but a little heavy on the micro. That tends to make some very happy, and some very sleepy.

Also, thanks!

Date: 2006-04-08 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] impertinence.livejournal.com
BWAH!

That is hilarious.

Date: 2006-04-08 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saintmaverick.livejournal.com
um, may i [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes this? cause this wins at life!

Date: 2006-04-08 10:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] maggiebloome.livejournal.com
Yay! Metaquotesy goodness. ^_^

Date: 2006-04-08 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shortgeekfreak.livejournal.com
hah! we had her too. She was teaching us index laws and started with "2 to the power of 2," she then proceeded to write our 2x2 on the board. But then she said "so 2 to the power of 64 would be 2x2x2x2x..." ALL THE WAY TO 64!!! even when she got to the end of the blackboard she turned around and started back! :P

Date: 2006-04-08 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syonakeleste.livejournal.com
Sounds like she was trying to explain Zeno. In a video game. While on crack.

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